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- From: gumboot@airdmhor.gen.nz (Simon Hosie)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c,comp.software-eng
- Subject: Re: Beware of "C" Hackers -- A rebuttal to Bertrand Meyer
- Followup-To: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c,comp.software-eng
- Date: 16 Mar 1996 07:36:43 +1300
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- References: <1995Jul3.034108.4193@rcmcon.com> <4ia3gf$drf@solutions.solon.com>
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- > In article <4i9u0l$vru@saba.info.ucla.edu>,
- > Jay Martin <jmartin@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
- > seebs@solutions.solon.com (Peter Seebach) writes:
- > Your jargon file is bullshit (obsolete). Comes from primitive times
- > when coding wizardry was cool. Anything with "hack" in it is now at
- > best ambiguous (can mean cracking,etc) and mostly negative.
-
- Peter Seebach:
- > Sez you. So, if I post saying "beware of Idiots named Jay, and you point out
- > (correctly) that you're not an idiot, does it improve things any for me to say
- > "this is a primitive and obsolete reference to olden days when there were cool
- > people named Jay. Any use of the name Jay is now at best ambiguous (can mean
- > politicians, etc.) and mostly negative."? No, it doesn't. If you've misused
- > a term, you should aplogize, and use a term that *actually* means what you
- > want to say. If you're bothered by hack programmers, well, I don't blame you;
- > I spend about 5 hours a week explaining mistakes in books they've written.
-
- It sucks, doesn't it.. you'd think that if someone was going to publish
- code that they'd make the effort to clean it up a bit - maybe they think the
- publisher will fix it along with the spelling and grammar.
-
-
- Whoever:
- > The meaning of hacking and hackers in this discussion is "anti-software
- > engineering/ good programming practices". I wouldn't put "hack" on resumes.
-
- If you wanted to mention Radio Shack or something how would you do it?
-
-
- Peter:
- > "The meaning of frog in this discussion is a kind of rodent." I'm sorry, but
- > You Can't Do That. Playing fast and loose with English is no better a
- > practice than playing fast and loose with a programming language. If you
- > want to communicate with people, it's best to use the *existing* meanings of
- > words.
-
- Yay!!! "Learn it, don't change it" Welcome to the minortiy.
- #include "/lib/bitch/VeryLongRantOnDegredationOfEnglish"
-
-
- Peter:
- > Curiously, black lesbian Eiffel programmers are also rare, but I
- > believe there are a fair number of lack lesbian C programmers. Does C
- > encourage melanin and lesbianism?
-
- If anything it probably discourages melanin and any kind of sexual
- orientation (hence the stereotypical pastey-white girlfearing computer
- nerd).
-